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mamiecierra
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 Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:10 am Post subject: Benefits of a Wireless IP Camera.. |
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In today’s often shifting, unpredictable world, security and surveillance have become a necessity. Cameras are found from businesses, street corners, public buildings and even growing strong to private homes. Such technology brings peace of mind as well as holding true to that old, persistent saying better safe then sorry.
While the world is still mainly hooked up by wires, going wireless will put you on the cutting edge of security and surveillance. Wireless IP cameras have many advantages over their bulky relatives full of numerous cable connections. Overall, moving up to a wireless is a practical investment, not to mention safe and wise. In the long run, this wireless IP camera (s) investment will give you what you’ve always wanted, that is freedom of really knowing what is really going on at any time you choose!
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itsokrelax
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Wireless cameras are terrible. There I just countered your pointless post. What now?!
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JohnnyC
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I run primarely wireless cameras, but switching to wired cameras. Why? Over a long distance, a weak wireless signal kills performance and playing with amps and directional antennas gets old fast. Also, these cameras need power so you still need a wire attached. I don't think you will see a magapixel wireless camera (at least I haven't).
Now that many of the cameras are PoE, one thin cable takes care of power and data with NO loss as frequently experienced with wireless.
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buellwinkle
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I'm going to be running wireless 3MP IP cameras up to a mile away and frankly, I'm not expecting any signal loss, lets see you do that with PoE and cat5 cable. Heck, even if it was technically possible, largest spool of wire I can find is only 1,000'. Also I have a project in a historic building, they don't want anyone to cut into the masonary walls or run exposed conduit. I think your problem is you are using cameras with built in wifi and that's just not going to cut it in the real world.
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fatjohnny
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| buellwinkle wrote: | | I'm going to be running wireless 3MP IP cameras up to a mile away and frankly, I'm not expecting any signal loss, lets see you do that with PoE and cat5 cable. Heck, even if it was technically possible, largest spool of wire I can find is only 1,000'. Also I have a project in a historic building, they don't want anyone to cut into the masonary walls or run exposed conduit. I think your problem is you are using cameras with built in wifi and that's just not going to cut it in the real world. |
Yes, it is doable. I run an external amp (500 mw) with an omni directional antennna. My wireless range extended greatly, but still have problems over long distances from time to time for various reasons. I'm sure if i used a high gain DIRECTIONAL antenna on both ends, then all my signal problems would go away, however now I'll have amps and antennas that must be properly placed to comunicate between the camera and access point. Done it and been there - WB2KLR
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bobby1471
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| fatjohnny wrote: | | buellwinkle wrote: | | I'm going to be running wireless 3MP IP cameras up to a mile away and frankly, I'm not expecting any signal loss, lets see you do that with PoE and cat5 cable. Heck, even if it was technically possible, largest spool of wire I can find is only 1,000'. Also I have a project in a historic building, they don't want anyone to cut into the masonary walls or run exposed conduit. I think your problem is you are using cameras with built in wifi and that's just not going to cut it in the real world. |
Yes, it is doable. I run an external amp (500 mw) with an omni directional antennna. My wireless range extended greatly, but still have problems over long distances from time to time for various reasons. I'm sure if i used a high gain DIRECTIONAL antenna on both ends, then all my signal problems would go away, however now I'll have amps and antennas that must be properly placed to comunicate between the camera and access point. Done it and been there - WB2KLR
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Sounds like a headache waiting to happen. 
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LiveLineMarketing
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: IP Cameras |
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If you have the right IP camera, there shouldn't be issues. LiveLine offers a great IP wireless camera that allows you to monitor and record from any computer with internet.
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david88
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I offer this rebuttal with all due respect to everyone here, since it seems to me that just about everyone that's posted something is correct in my book.
Both wireless cameras and wired cameras have their advantages. It's true that a camera connected by say an ethernet cable will display a much better quality video in terms of its frame rate, but for many a camera isn't valued by how clear the quality of the video comes out but rather where a camera can be placed and still record decent video, hence wireless.
A strong competitive camera in my opinion is one that could work with a either a wired connection OR a wireless one, since that camera would always leave the option to the user.
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40th Floor
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| Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| david88 wrote: | | It's true that a camera connected by say an ethernet cable will display a much better quality video in terms of its frame rate |
No, that's not true. Better said. it's completely wrong. Nonsense? Yes, that, too. Old wives' tale? Yeah. Funny? Absolutely!
It's like a 10 lb bag v a 5 lb bag. If you have 5 lbs of stuff, it doesn't matter which you use since each will hold your stuff. If you have an old rotten bag, well, that's something different.
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david88
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I stand corrected.
What's more, 40th floor, I like comparison.
The point I wanted to make and emphasize was simply both wireless and wired connections do work.
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fatjohnny
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| bobby1471 wrote: | | fatjohnny wrote: | | buellwinkle wrote: | | I'm going to be running wireless 3MP IP cameras up to a mile away and frankly, I'm not expecting any signal loss, lets see you do that with PoE and cat5 cable. Heck, even if it was technically possible, largest spool of wire I can find is only 1,000'. Also I have a project in a historic building, they don't want anyone to cut into the masonary walls or run exposed conduit. I think your problem is you are using cameras with built in wifi and that's just not going to cut it in the real world. |
Yes, it is doable. I run an external amp (500 mw) with an omni directional antennna. My wireless range extended greatly, but still have problems over long distances from time to time for various reasons. I'm sure if i used a high gain DIRECTIONAL antenna on both ends, then all my signal problems would go away, however now I'll have amps and antennas that must be properly placed to comunicate between the camera and access point. Done it and been there - WB2KLR
John
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Sounds like a headache waiting to happen. |
Not really. Actually works very well and eliminates headaches. One little amp and a hi-gain antenna all it takes in my case.
John
New Jersey
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Soundy
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| david88 wrote: | | Both wireless cameras and wired cameras have their advantages. It's true that a camera connected by say an ethernet cable will display a much better quality video in terms of its frame rate... |
This is not exactly correct. Up-front, there's no reason wireless vs. wired should make any difference to the video quality. Even on a weaker signal, digital transmission like WiFi should show no difference in quality as long as the link is solid, vs. an analog system where a weaker signal will start to show noise and interference. With digital, the signal is either there or it's not.
Where you DO start to see problems is where a weak signal causes a COMPLETE dropout in data, or a reduced transmission speed leads to dropped frames or excessive buffering. In other words, image quality isn't the main issue with wireless... reliability is. Especially with basic 2.4GHz gear, once you start introducing interference from other consumer products in the same frequency range (ever had your WiFi drop out because of a wireless mouse? I have...), and over longer ranges, because of weather conditions.
WiFi cameras have their place... usually where wired connections are impractical or impossible. It should ideally never be consider IN PLACE OF a wired connection simply for the sake of convenience.
| Quote: | | A strong competitive camera in my opinion is one that could work with a either a wired connection OR a wireless one, since that camera would always leave the option to the user. |
The problem with cramming too many features into one design, besides the fact that increased complexity often comes with reduced reliability, is that it adds cost that for many will be unnecessary. Why would I want to pay for wireless capability in a camera that's going to be used wired? Consider as well, that anything close enough to be within range of built-in WiFi is more than close enough for a wired connection... anything that's far enough away for wired to be impractical, in most cases, will required a higher-power access point and/or directional antenna, thus rendering built-in WiFi moot.
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thewireguys
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I would love to hear about some of the wireless gear people are talking about? I have completed PTP and PTMP setups and I would NEVER use the cameras build-in wireless radios to complete this. Two things to have to remember when your doing wireless reliability and security. You WILL have dropped frames and it is VERY easy to hack and/or disable.
If you can wire the cameras DO IT 
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